Tak x Sanho is not rape

I 100% get your point...like if you persuade someone into having sex after they say no isn't rape...and yeah if Sanho didn't actually want it he'd fight him...obviously

Hey listen SA survivor here and, I don't really care too much about Tak and Sanho. Their relationship I can look past bc it's fiction, but for your information, coercion is SA. No means no. You should really think about what you say before saying it. Nobody should have to fight back after saying no. Nobody should have to just "give in"

Right, I wanted to say that, but I thought maybe if I relay their comment back to them they would understand how stupid it sounds.

And I'm sorry you had to go through that☹

I am really sorry for what happened to you...I didn't mean to make you uncomfortable with my comment....It's just that Sagold didn't add SA to this Manhwa....Isn't it confusing when Sanho says no but still wants to kiss tak? I mean if he hated sex with tak then he could just fight him off because Sanho is strong....Well if someone doesn't listen to you then you ofcourse have to fight them off....but Sanho didn't so he definately didn't hate sex with tak he just was sad that they weren't friend anymore and that Tak didn't like him.....Persuasion or not Sanho did give his consent and didn't show any signs of fighting back....so I think this wasn't SA....

I am sorry I didnt get your sarcasm because my comment actually did sound sane and logical to me

No cause now I feel bad, you seem so nice, but yeah I was being sarcastic, I don't think it was necessarily SA but it's definitely dubious consent and it's always up for debate. I personally though, if somebody told me they didn't want to, no matter how much they say want to in their head, I'm not going to proceed cause I can't read minds yk, but that's just my opinion.

As I said it's not tak x sanho I'm worried about. It is fiction, albeit dubious consent/debatable considering the scene. What I want to point out about your comment is just the general idea that coercion isn't SA, because it absolutely is. If someone says no, take it as that. You should never have to persuade someone into having sex. It's a very uncomfortable situation to be in. And if you want to get technical about tak and sangho then let's consider all the times tak assaulted sanho while he was drunk or passed out. Rubbing himself and coming on his face surely wasn't consensual. And how was he meant to fight back when he tried to run away but tak put all his weight onto him. It wasn't just once sanho said no, it was multiple times with him literally fighting back. I'm just telling you this because I would like you to consider these situations for real life scenarios. Nobody is being hurt in the manhwa but irl these things would be considered unacceptable. Consent after coercion is not consent.

Ah thank you. It's something that I was able to overcome, but it's still frustrating when I see people try to explain away SA. Like I told OP, I'm able to overlook many things in fiction, however I still think it's important to recognize what is and isn't SA for your own safety and the safety of others.

Hmm.....I understand you now....Thanks a lot for making me realise that its okay in fiction but not in real life.....I somehow forgot my own morals.....I literally was the one who believed that fiction and real life are not the same....and that the rape in fiction doesn't always do justice to the real world....You are right now that I see it from the real life pov....it is SA.....Sorry for misunderstanding you at first..........

Thank you for being willing to listen and accept the issue with your comment. I have no problem with others consuming toxic fictional media, as I do the same. I also think it's completely fine to like tak and sanho as a couple. But yes trying to justify SA even in fiction isn't the best thing to do since it can come off as insensitive to people who have experienced it irl. I appreciate you being mature about everything :)

you explained everything perfectly

thank you for saying that I'm relieved to hear my thoughts were conveyed properly

Hey I would like to ask you something....Can you like read Jinx and tell me if it's SA in real life or not? Like I don't think it is because like Kim Dan is doing it for money and so he gave consent....♡

mhm I would say that the first encounter would definitely be considered SA. When they begin to get intimate, doc dan seems to change his mind, but jaekyung threatens him with violence basically saying if you back out after saying yes I'll hurt you like I did that other guy (his one night stand who he smashed his head against the wall). Even if it was for money originally, he wanted to stop so that should've been the end of it. When he gives in due to the threat of violence, he realizes how much it hurts and asks to stop again, but is once again threatened with violence, being told to "shut your mouth and take it".

There are several other instances that have jaekyung forcing doc dan into uncomfortable situations where doc dan says no. A contract doesn't mitigate SA. It's still a 'no means no' type of thing. Just because you said yes or gave consent BEFORE does not mean you have no say in your bodily autonomy. So yes I would say that, especially in the beginning, Jinx has a lot of SA and would be considered so in real life as well. Even speaking from a legal perspective, contracts that try to regulate a sexual relationship will not hold up in court. Later into the story, the sexual relationship develops a bit more into dubious consent rather than just non-consent, but it's still iffy.

Well....the contract did say that Kim Dan will have to have sex with Jaekyung whenever and wherever he wants....and it's not like he wasn't paying Kim Dan....and about the threatening....he didn't have a choice but to have sex with Kim Dan because of his Jinx and at first Kim Dan said yes for money when jaekyung would have considered if he said no.....and Kim Dan said no after a long time and at that time it wasn't possible to get another man....so he faced the consequences...and Jaekyung did try to lose him properly but Kim Dan again stopped him midway.....if we see in future....once Kim Dan even left Mid sex and Jaekyung didn't stop him because if wasn't the time of his jinx....Jaekyung even like helped his grandma which he didn't need to....and even chatted with her....I think that it wasn't SA because it was the situation that made both of them unable to step out....Kim Dan (money problems).....Jaekyung(Jinx).....so I think we should take their situations in account too....I an a really open minded person and just wanna understand stuff more....so this is just a discussion for me and not an argument so please don't take my words with offence....♡

Please igmore this comment....I just searched and found that it is actually SA...even it being in a contract.....I just read this "Law is always above any contract agreement."......well but the person can ask for compensation for breaking the contract....

Yes you can take into account any situation but the situation does not make SA go away. It isn't the contract that makes it SA it's the treatment of kim dan during sex. Like I said and what you read, a person has the ability to say no even if they agreed to something in a contract. If say, you signed that contract and the person took advantage of that and roughly forced you into sexual scenarios you weren't comfortable with plus threatened you with violence if you said no, I don't think you would enjoy that very much. Irl this is very much considered to be SA just by the threats during sex. There is even a time kim dan punches jaekyung to stop him and jaekyung does not stop. You can nitpick other scenarios when he DID stop, but that doesn't change the fact that there were times that he didn't.

Just because someone has a 'jinx' or someone needs money, that does not give them the right to force their sexual needs onto others when the person ultimately says no. The key takeaway is, no is ALWAYS an indicator of "stop what you're doing", no matter the circumstances.

Also "asking for compensation for breaking a contract" does not mean you can ask for sex or anything that could be considered illegal. Compensation in that sense is considered monetary whether that be money, items, property, etc, but it would not make sense legally or otherwise for that "compensation" to be violent sex.

By compensation I originally meant money only.....not anything else tho....♡

Hey...it's me again.....I kinda noticed that chapter 7 has a little rape too according to the logic "saud no but didn't stop"....But like these type of rape scenes can be overlooked,right? I mean it's not that bad,right? Even in Tak and Sanho I did realise that it is rape but their relationship starts with a toxicity doesn't mean they can't have character development and love each other right.....I mean sometimes people do force their lovers in sex due to extreme emotions like anger or jealousy....I'm really confused on what to feel....like even if it is fiction people are hating on the whole relationship just because the starting is bad....I mean toxic relationships are also relationships and can develop through time.....I know that in fiction nothing is real but I am just thinking that if anything like this happens in real life too.....would their relationship have no way to go?No development?....All these rape accusations I see everywhere in every manhwa is messing with my head.....