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Gods literally can’t be hurt the same way humans can be since our lives are short whereas gods are not mortals and can outlive their grudges. It’s hard to comprehend that but it is nothing but facts. And if Set really had an issue, he wouldn’t be so calm around Horus, he would’ve been angry and trying to beat Horus like earlier chapters. Horus is not that good though, his assault is still taking a hit.

Yep, I agree with what you said, in the sense that I'm pretty sure the author did not intend for readers to see that Seth x Horus scene as SA. But it's still annoying how this particular author and story ALSO fell for the recurrent problem in manga /manhwa / manhua where they "try to make the sex scene more kinky" by having them do what is, for all intends and purposes, practically a BDSM "role play", but with the GLARING ABSENCE OF a safeword or even a prior agreement. Seriously, I'm sick and tired of the eternal bull where characters are made to repeat over and over something like "No, no, no, stop... etc etc" when it's clear the author doesn't want readers to see it as a forced situation. Keep the tsundere banter OUT of the bedroom, authors, for effing sake!

In the end, I think we can all recognise with Sataka Ginko that, "The author's portrayal of love or even rape isn't consistent anymore." We've seen the author doing non-canon extras before, to include this crap, in order to please the more "hardcore" fans... So couldn't they have continued doing it like that, and keeping that out of the main story? I mean, while it's "tamer" compared to the extras, it's still stupid "noncon roleplay" that gets obviously mixed up with the REAL SA scenes

Hhh no it wasnt, just like you taesung just got anxious. Bom was clearly into it, he just wanted to his taesungs face while doing it but wasnt against it. Bom was even ready to get into it the day after like nothing. They are fine, they are in fact not toxic, and a little rough sex, if concentual, is alright

he legit asked him to stop and stated it hurt. clearly since teasung never listens, he's normalized it to the point where he defends it.

he didn't "tease" taesung into it. rough sex isn't fucking your parter despite it hurting them and them being uncomfortable with that and asking to stop. also persuading haebom into sex in the bathub when he didn't want it is sexual coercion.

Wait you mean they are gonna remove this series from here????!!!

Why can't the people understand poor people bro also what if its just that we live outside service area bro leave it alone please

no way :(

that comment was in 2021 tho, idt its gonna get removed

Really??Then maybe it won't get removed

I 100% get your point...like if you persuade someone into having sex after they say no isn't rape...and yeah if Sanho didn't actually want it he'd fight him...obviously

Hey listen SA survivor here and, I don't really care too much about Tak and Sanho. Their relationship I can look past bc it's fiction, but for your information, coercion is SA. No means no. You should really think about what you say before saying it. Nobody should have to fight back after saying no. Nobody should have to just "give in"

Right, I wanted to say that, but I thought maybe if I relay their comment back to them they would understand how stupid it sounds.

And I'm sorry you had to go through that☹

I am really sorry for what happened to you...I didn't mean to make you uncomfortable with my comment....It's just that Sagold didn't add SA to this Manhwa....Isn't it confusing when Sanho says no but still wants to kiss tak? I mean if he hated sex with tak then he could just fight him off because Sanho is strong....Well if someone doesn't listen to you then you ofcourse have to fight them off....but Sanho didn't so he definately didn't hate sex with tak he just was sad that they weren't friend anymore and that Tak didn't like him.....Persuasion or not Sanho did give his consent and didn't show any signs of fighting back....so I think this wasn't SA....

I am sorry I didnt get your sarcasm because my comment actually did sound sane and logical to me

No cause now I feel bad, you seem so nice, but yeah I was being sarcastic, I don't think it was necessarily SA but it's definitely dubious consent and it's always up for debate. I personally though, if somebody told me they didn't want to, no matter how much they say want to in their head, I'm not going to proceed cause I can't read minds yk, but that's just my opinion.

As I said it's not tak x sanho I'm worried about. It is fiction, albeit dubious consent/debatable considering the scene. What I want to point out about your comment is just the general idea that coercion isn't SA, because it absolutely is. If someone says no, take it as that. You should never have to persuade someone into having sex. It's a very uncomfortable situation to be in. And if you want to get technical about tak and sangho then let's consider all the times tak assaulted sanho while he was drunk or passed out. Rubbing himself and coming on his face surely wasn't consensual. And how was he meant to fight back when he tried to run away but tak put all his weight onto him. It wasn't just once sanho said no, it was multiple times with him literally fighting back. I'm just telling you this because I would like you to consider these situations for real life scenarios. Nobody is being hurt in the manhwa but irl these things would be considered unacceptable. Consent after coercion is not consent.

Ah thank you. It's something that I was able to overcome, but it's still frustrating when I see people try to explain away SA. Like I told OP, I'm able to overlook many things in fiction, however I still think it's important to recognize what is and isn't SA for your own safety and the safety of others.

Hmm.....I understand you now....Thanks a lot for making me realise that its okay in fiction but not in real life.....I somehow forgot my own morals.....I literally was the one who believed that fiction and real life are not the same....and that the rape in fiction doesn't always do justice to the real world....You are right now that I see it from the real life pov....it is SA.....Sorry for misunderstanding you at first..........

Thank you for being willing to listen and accept the issue with your comment. I have no problem with others consuming toxic fictional media, as I do the same. I also think it's completely fine to like tak and sanho as a couple. But yes trying to justify SA even in fiction isn't the best thing to do since it can come off as insensitive to people who have experienced it irl. I appreciate you being mature about everything :)

you explained everything perfectly

thank you for saying that I'm relieved to hear my thoughts were conveyed properly

Hey I would like to ask you something....Can you like read Jinx and tell me if it's SA in real life or not? Like I don't think it is because like Kim Dan is doing it for money and so he gave consent....♡

mhm I would say that the first encounter would definitely be considered SA. When they begin to get intimate, doc dan seems to change his mind, but jaekyung threatens him with violence basically saying if you back out after saying yes I'll hurt you like I did that other guy (his one night stand who he smashed his head against the wall). Even if it was for money originally, he wanted to stop so that should've been the end of it. When he gives in due to the threat of violence, he realizes how much it hurts and asks to stop again, but is once again threatened with violence, being told to "shut your mouth and take it".

There are several other instances that have jaekyung forcing doc dan into uncomfortable situations where doc dan says no. A contract doesn't mitigate SA. It's still a 'no means no' type of thing. Just because you said yes or gave consent BEFORE does not mean you have no say in your bodily autonomy. So yes I would say that, especially in the beginning, Jinx has a lot of SA and would be considered so in real life as well. Even speaking from a legal perspective, contracts that try to regulate a sexual relationship will not hold up in court. Later into the story, the sexual relationship develops a bit more into dubious consent rather than just non-consent, but it's still iffy.

Well....the contract did say that Kim Dan will have to have sex with Jaekyung whenever and wherever he wants....and it's not like he wasn't paying Kim Dan....and about the threatening....he didn't have a choice but to have sex with Kim Dan because of his Jinx and at first Kim Dan said yes for money when jaekyung would have considered if he said no.....and Kim Dan said no after a long time and at that time it wasn't possible to get another man....so he faced the consequences...and Jaekyung did try to lose him properly but Kim Dan again stopped him midway.....if we see in future....once Kim Dan even left Mid sex and Jaekyung didn't stop him because if wasn't the time of his jinx....Jaekyung even like helped his grandma which he didn't need to....and even chatted with her....I think that it wasn't SA because it was the situation that made both of them unable to step out....Kim Dan (money problems).....Jaekyung(Jinx).....so I think we should take their situations in account too....I an a really open minded person and just wanna understand stuff more....so this is just a discussion for me and not an argument so please don't take my words with offence....♡

Please igmore this comment....I just searched and found that it is actually SA...even it being in a contract.....I just read this "Law is always above any contract agreement."......well but the person can ask for compensation for breaking the contract....

Yes you can take into account any situation but the situation does not make SA go away. It isn't the contract that makes it SA it's the treatment of kim dan during sex. Like I said and what you read, a person has the ability to say no even if they agreed to something in a contract. If say, you signed that contract and the person took advantage of that and roughly forced you into sexual scenarios you weren't comfortable with plus threatened you with violence if you said no, I don't think you would enjoy that very much. Irl this is very much considered to be SA just by the threats during sex. There is even a time kim dan punches jaekyung to stop him and jaekyung does not stop. You can nitpick other scenarios when he DID stop, but that doesn't change the fact that there were times that he didn't.

Just because someone has a 'jinx' or someone needs money, that does not give them the right to force their sexual needs onto others when the person ultimately says no. The key takeaway is, no is ALWAYS an indicator of "stop what you're doing", no matter the circumstances.

Also "asking for compensation for breaking a contract" does not mean you can ask for sex or anything that could be considered illegal. Compensation in that sense is considered monetary whether that be money, items, property, etc, but it would not make sense legally or otherwise for that "compensation" to be violent sex.

By compensation I originally meant money only.....not anything else tho....♡

Hey...it's me again.....I kinda noticed that chapter 7 has a little rape too according to the logic "saud no but didn't stop"....But like these type of rape scenes can be overlooked,right? I mean it's not that bad,right? Even in Tak and Sanho I did realise that it is rape but their relationship starts with a toxicity doesn't mean they can't have character development and love each other right.....I mean sometimes people do force their lovers in sex due to extreme emotions like anger or jealousy....I'm really confused on what to feel....like even if it is fiction people are hating on the whole relationship just because the starting is bad....I mean toxic relationships are also relationships and can develop through time.....I know that in fiction nothing is real but I am just thinking that if anything like this happens in real life too.....would their relationship have no way to go?No development?....All these rape accusations I see everywhere in every manhwa is messing with my head.....

Hmm... I read it back and you're right there was lack of full consent and he was told to stop. In real life this would essentially be up to their partner whether they will forgive the situation or not. At the end of the day, it is nobodies decision but the person who experienced the crossing of boundaries.

I think you may be approaching this all wrong so I'm going to try and explain to help make this less confusing. In your original comment, you dismissed the idea that it was rape. That was the issue I had with it. If you see something in a manhwa that resembles SA, then you don't have to stop reading or stop enjoying their relationship, but you should at least acknowledge that what was done was wrong. Instead, you decided to make a comment about how people who were calling it rape were wrong.

In real life, I don't believe it is possible or right to forgive a rapist for what they've done and continue with a relationship because it is an unacceptable action. No matter what feelings may have overcome someone, forcing them into any type of sexual situation without their consent is abhorrent. However, in fiction, it is possible to look past what was done and continue enjoying the story because again it isnt hurting anybody. When you mention toxic relationships evolving, it is possible, but toxic should not involve any type of abuse. For chapter 7, I do see this situation as one where it could be a situation that can be forgiven IF the person chooses to. But that doesn't mean they have to. I say these things because if god forbid you were ever in a situation where someone forced you into something just because they were jealous or angry, that is not okay behavior and you should not put up with that.

The comments you see of people complaining about rape are totally valid. People are allowed to critique something they deem unacceptable in terms of their reading because it is personal preference. If several people are calling something rape, chances are that's what it is. Read the scenes again if you're unsure about it yourself and put yourself or someone you love in the position of the one being taken advantage of. If you wouldn't be okay with you or the person being put into that position, that's how you know it would not be okay irl.

....So to sum it all up....Fiction agressive sex is rape in real life......and Fiction has nothing to do with real life.....and we can read whatever we want in fiction without caring what it is as long as we know it is wrong in real life? Well some fictional manhwas are rape in fiction and real life tho.....like darkfall and PLACEBO and pearl boy.....but we can read them because they are characters and not real life people so us reading it doesn't hurt anyone.....right? People really should not accuse the author when they see rape in Fiction because even the authors know this is fiction and that's why they make plots like that.....Many people can't separate fiction and real life.....But you can.....so thank you again for explaining it to me so nicely....I now understand it clearly.....and will try to separate fiction and real life better in the future.....♡

Hey what are your thoughts on this https://www.mangago.me/thing/656/ .....♡

I think that if people want to criticize the author it is okay to do so. I personally am able to separate fiction from reality especially as someone who has experienced SA, but I know many cannot and I know many people who have been SAed may disagree with me. I would say you shouldn't try to argue with people who have differing opinions than you because they are valid in feeling any way that they do. There is a line that I find unacceptable such as threatening the author with violence or other things but it is true that many people use fiction to cope with their own feelings as well as explore dark topics in a comfortable setting, but that doesn't mean they support it. I think that there is a bit too much dubious consent and nonconsent that comes from any genre in literature and I think it's important to teach people what shouldn't be done. The thing that worries me about SA being portrayed in an okay light is that children often find their way to these stories and children who's brains are less developed should not be reading those as they can definitely warp the idea of what is and isn't okay as they grow older.

To sum it up, and this is just how I see things and my thoughts are not perfect nor are they the RIGHT ones they are just how i feel, I think rape is inexcusable in any setting but that pertains to the characters and the people who are involved.When I say I can look past SA in manhwa's it's not that I'm condoning it, I'm acknowledging that it's rape and it's not okay but I move on with the story. Other people do not feel okay with what is being portrayed and they are allowed to feel that way so don't diminish their feelings just because you do not see it the same way. It would be ideal if SA was used as a negative thing in manhwa instead of using it and then pretending like it's okay because some authors do make light of it and it can be frustrating.

I think what most people are saying is totally valid. I much prefer accurate depictions of rape to romanticized rape. I think romanticized rape is uncomfortable to read and it should definitely be used less or not at all. When you use rape in a story it should be used as a trauma or a past trauma rather than something silly that happened and people can easily move past. Like I said you shouldn't argue with how people feel because you disagree. Invalidating others feelings does more harm than good. In the future I would just say refrain from commenting whether or not something is rape and let people feel the way they do about it.

I was able to think about it a bit more and put my thoughts into words a little better because my thoughts were pretty all over the place. My opinion is that romanticized rape should not be used in stories. I don't think there's any reason to have it in there as it does essentially discredit people who have experienced SA in real life. HOWEVER, if it is already used I can sometimes look past it and still enjoy the story because at the end of the day it is fiction. But I think the most important thing in real life is education on SA so people are able to differentiate between what is and isn't okay. Though I know fiction doesn't make someone into something that they're not already, it can still blur the lines of right and wrong for those who are not fully aware of it, especially for victims who may struggle with whether or not what happened to them was okay. This is why I mentioned that kids should not be anywhere near this stuff because it can have a negative impact on their views.

I think that accurate depictions of SA are okay. Depictions that show SA for how it really is which is absolutely terrible, if done correctly, can add many things to a story and the characters. I often dislike stories where there is clear rape and the rapist experiences absolutey no repercussions and the victim easily forgives them. Waterside Night is an example of this. I couldn't personally continue reading because right after the seme started to show some character improvement, he brutally raped the uke (which literally led him to want to take his own life again) and was forgiven because he begged and cried. It just rubbed me the wrong way. A good representation of SA portrayed correctly would be something such as Missing Love. It's a hard read and it's sick to see what things are done to the uke, but it also shows the reality of what someone who experiences such awful things can experience after.

This subject in general is very delicate and everybody is allowed to feel a certain way about it. That doesn't make them wrong or right. It certainly isn't worth it to argue with some strangers on the internet. At the end of the day, I cannot make the decisions for you. It is up to each individual to assess the situations. Yes, it's important to understand something is fiction, but it is also important to acknowledge that fiction can portray things in a way people do not find acceptable.

You are right.....it really is a very delicate subject and even if everyone knows what rape is in real life.....they have different opinions of it in Fiction....we shouldn't even argue because it's fiction but some do and it's useless to reason with them because their opinions are not right or wrong......I can read romanticised rape and those rape scenes that are rape in disguise.....but I never found myself rereading real rape depictions here....like Darkfall....I just forced myself to read it once because I love torturing myself and was traumatized but then realised it's fiction and was part of the plot that isn't realistic and the characters arn't realistic too.....Jinx also has rape at an extreme point and I was disgusted with ch 34....but I know PLACEBO is rape but the sex scenes are shown in such a way that it looks like concent even when he is clearly hyptonised.....and the plot is very slow so kinda just using it for graphics.....At the end....if we know what is wrong in real life then lets just overlook hidden rape scenes and avoid actual rape scenes.....Peace...♡....I wont think about this anymore and just read what I am comfortable with just not read the ones I am not.....gonna go watch non-toxic stuff for some time.....♡.....Thank you so much for your patience and help you really helped me a lot....I love you,dear....♡

I’m happy I could help! Love you too you are a very reasonable person and I appreciate you going out of your way to try and educate yourself.

Thank you so much for your kind words.....♡ I won't disturb you anymore for the time being.....but can you like confirm one thing for me? CBAW ch 146....it is rough sex and not rape,right? Like he apologized and went pale when he calmed down from being jealous and thought he had raped his husband.....Haebom's words calmed my heart down too but this question has been messing with my head because I like Taesung alot and he is one of the green flags....Inseo is a green flag to tho he apologizes whenever he sees that he hurt hyeok and even wanted to stay away as to not hurt him even more with his strong feelings....he is stupid but cute.....♡

YOU ARE READING A TREE WITHOUT ROOTS TOO?!?!?? OMG please tell me your thoughts....because some of the comments are such a turn off......like the sex is good and the manhwa is so interesting.....it has so many clues and so much suspence....I even love Heeseo even if he is a red flag because I feel sad for him and taekyung because both of them need therapy and are not at fault...I like Yandere a little...in Fiction of course....I don't actually care if the sex scenes there are considered actual rape in reality because aside from that the story is very intersting to me and I'm obsessed with their toxic relationship.....I like the sex scenes because I have seen worse and this is much better than them....and even their sex scenes are messed up like Taekyung gives Heeseo consent but he is only doing it to not lose Heeseo.....and heeseo is having sex because he has abandonment issues and gets anxiety easity.....it is messed up but I like it.....am I a bad person? I am a good person in real life tho.....I just like a little toxic drama to forget my monotonous life for once......♡

I don't think you're a bad person unless it's something you would enjoy or be okay with in real life. I actually commented on the story if you look a bit in you can find it. I don't condone the actions but I think the story is very interesting from a psychological perspective. The author makes the relationship toxic and clearly shows it as such so the depiction so far has not been romanticized. It is obvious both their ideas of love are twisted from their upbringings. This is the type of story that is okay to enjoy because it is tagged psychological which is the correct tag as it is meant to show a toxic story. I'm a criminal psychology major so stories involving traumatic upbringings and how people cope, whether that be turning to toxic outlets or using that trauma to become a better person, are always interesting for me to read.

Of course, yandere is a popular genre for a reason. If everybody who enjoyed yandere were considered bad people, that would be an enormous amount. I think the fact that you're worried about being a bad person tells me you're not. Bad people won't ask that question so dont stress too much.

I am an overthinker....and I hate that fact about myself.....Nowadays because of so many comments calling every "said stop but didn't" rape I feel like every sex scene in here is rape even if it is just rough sex or an unintended mistake which probably they apologise later and the partner even forgives them or just trying to show the partner that they are not getting hurt and that it's not bad and to not be scared....like I am reading "Don't cry,Sunbae" and the seme is the greenest flag and never intends to hurt the uke....Read chapter 32.....the seme is actually trying to help the uke.....I love psycology and that's why I love manhwas that confuse people and make them even like the villains cause even the villains are victims.....like in Tree without roots.....and in Vivarium......I love to understand confusing and messed up things because they are interesting to me.....Because of people calling even the slighted of things rape....it kinda messes with me because they are pretty mild to even real life rape cases....like in BJ alex a person was calling it rape when it was miss communication and they was a little jealousy and they were even trying out sex toys.....here https://www.mangago.me/home/mangatopic/14543070/ ....Can you like explain rough sex to me?

Thank you soooo much for saying this.....I would also take up psychology if I can because it is soooo interesting how everyone interprets one thing in various ways....how someone acts according to their past experiences and how some who have had a traumatic past still decide to leave the past behind and move on....like how Heeseo is and understanding his side instead of hating on him because he is unstable too but is controlling himself the best he can....anyways....You are such a nice person....we don't find people like you anymore.....You understand me so well....You are like my saviour in this website....♡ I wish you immense happiness in your life.....♡

Hey....I just got to know that SA and rape are different.....SA has many forms....and now that I see people calling Jinx rape....I think it's not rape....I am really sorry but it isn't rape to me...like others can see it as rape but it isn't to me....it is SA tho....Rape is something worse to me....I think Jinx can be called Sexual harrassment....like I searched in wikipedia....and rape is distinct from SA many people who are in the comments of Jinx are very less educated about SA and rape....they are only using one term "rape"....they don't even consider other SAs.....like I found this person.....please go through their replies right at the bottom of the page.....they are a rape surviver and they too don't think Jinx is rape but a type of SA....
https://www.mangago.me/home/people/716084/home/ .....I am sorry if anything I said made up upset....the comment section of Jinx just pisses me off.....They are using rape for everything and kinda taking it lightly.....
And this is the wikipedia page...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault ....♡

I understand there is a difference but there's also no "better" or "worse". SA is an all encompassing term to describe any sort of sexual assault which can include rape. I can tell you that I am well versed in what both of them mean. The things that person commented are frankly pretty disgusting. They told someone they "didnt give a fuck" if that person was raped and that they should go talk to a therapist because they wouldnt be getting sympathy from them. So I will not listen to anybody who acts that way, especially towards another survivor. I am not going to debate whether something is SA or rape. They're both deplorable and disgusting. I told you that you should stop reading the comments. There will always be comments you may disagree with, but what's the point in engaging? At the end of the day it's fiction but some people wont agree with that. Let them argue all they want but stop involving yourself in it. You're just upsetting yourself for no reason. Nothing you say will change their minds because morality is a matter of personal belief and based on the emotional side of someone's personality, meaning it is one of the hardest things to change about a person.

Jinx is definitely not just sexual harassment. There is clear physical contact being done without consent. If you wanted to get technical with it, there are both instances of rape AND sexual assault in jinx. I'd rather not discuss what is what in jinx anymore.

the person who you're talking with explained everything I would say very well. We view things similarly. As I said it is important to acknowledge something as not okay but still enjoy the story. To go to such lengths to try and categorize it to justify the actions is not what you should do. I need to very much reiterate that a "mistake" can still be SA. Even if the partner forgives them it doesn't change the definition. Saying something is more "mild" than something else is a terrible way to look at it. Read it, interpret it how you want, and move on. If it's wrong, it's wrong. No point in breaking it down frame by frame to figure out what it would legally be considered.

"Rape is a type of sexual assault involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without their consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority, or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability, or is below the legal age of consent.[1][2] The term rape is sometimes used interchangeably with the term sexual assault.[3]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape

I think it is important that you also do more research.

That person is mentally ill for cyberbullying a rape surviver....They are heartless.....You are right....I can't change them or anything but what I can do is not care so I am gonna do that from now on amd avoid the comments section....ngl but I kinda am missing when we couldn't comment....♡

Yeah I noticed that too....like the fist sex scenes are rape but the later ones not seem that much like rape.....Imma stop worrying about Jinx too....lets just hope Jaekyung get's his redemption arc soon....♡

Sorry I will try to do that too from now on....♡

Hmmmm.....I am going to research more about this topic but later.....You helped me without loosing patience....how did you even do that? Are you a therapist? Are you learning to be one? You should definately becomes one because you are great at reasoning with people....♡

I'm very much in agreement with you there. A lot of the comments bother me as well it was much more peaceful when there was no option to comment since now there is all this fighting and aggressiveness. It can sometimes make it hard to just enjoy the stories so I understand how you feel

Ah haha it's much easier to be reasonable with someone who is willing to listen like you are so it's not just me. But I have been helping people for a long time so that may have helped for sure. I wanted to be a therapist for a while, but now am more interested with working with criminals and picking their brains. I might do some therapy with them which I think would be really cool. Thank you again for being receptive. Things like this can be a minefield.

Damn I LOVE CRIMINAL STUFF AND ALL THAT DETECTIVE SHIT!! You are soooo cool.....I love you ♡

Yeah....I really wish I could go back to my previous self who didn't care so much about what she reads in fiction....Damn I almost keep forgetting that I have ADHD and my brain thinks a lot....Well thanks to you I can now enjoy the stories without caring much

I'm happy to hear that :) I have anxiety and OCD so I often overthink as well. It's easy to get caught up in your head about things.

Same

Lol same I was confused I think they take turns? ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄

dude same

No Hyo in is still the seme the ending just portrays Sungjoon as a power bottom

That's what I was thinking at first, Thanks a lot for clarifying

Your welcome